this comment is fair and rational. it should put many of the incessant despicable forummers and hypocrites in sbf to shame! by the way, i m not spared too ;9(
Coffee Shop Talk - F4 SBF release
From: A.Chia (cmirror) 15:02
To: ALL 132 of 139
183864.132 in reply to 183864.31
A measure of a man is not dependent on his academic qualifications. nor educated, primary sch, ITE, private school, NUS, post grad? All these do not measure the value of a person nor equate anything to one's personhood. Personal attributes and graciousness are far more important.
We may hold differing views and may be disgusted by each others' methods, however, the many personal attacks, bringing in academic successes or failures, according to each own's definition? lanching attacks on one's family members, attacking on one's illness, black smearing with exaggerated graphic descriptions of sexual acts etc, seem to be crossing the line a bit too much here.
I am an individual observer who is very supportive of the opposition politics in SG. However, looking at the many aspiring politicians or activists involving and behaving in such manner surely makes one sit back and review and ponder. I still stand firm in supporting opposition politics in SG, will not be affected by what is happening here in this forum. However, it will be a pity that you may lose many potential mid ground singaporeans whom you have good chances of winning over who may be reading this forum now. They most probably will be rather put off by what is happening over here. From the postings and the information posted here, I am sure among the posters are really members from the WP and the recent TBT political activist. At first I thought maybe not, cos how to verify with just the nicks? But then, the information each used to flame each other, including revealing addresses, phone numbers, etc etc....these information do tally with what belongs to the WP politicians and the TBT activist, plus observing the writing styles too. I am sure there are many readers of this forum, now starting to make their own conclusion.
I can't comment on the past hurts and betrayals and I fully know I am in no position to do that. I know each has his liberty to take offence and I believe that many of you here must have been through a very rough patch and have gone through a very difficult time, losing friendships, losing trust, feeling sabotaged, etc... and it definitely is not easy to get over, forget and move on. it takes time to heal.
Just that to be using this forum as a platform to get back at each other, you openly post yourselves to public scrunity and the political mileage for opposition politics has surely been affected. Once one aspires to be a politican or even an activist, one has more or less become a public figure subjected to public assessment...thus the way one conducts himself is of essential importance. It is no doubt true that one must practise what he preaches, i.e. if one preaches about moral standards and integrity, one then must practise that himself. When one talks about needing to have the certain wisdom, knowledge and maturity to conduct himself as a politician, to debate as a politician, then one must strive to conduct himself as thus. Let's not dissappoint the so many supporters and voters out there.
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Wednesday, July 9, 2008
TIME TO LET GO....
very insightful postings here:
this article is very enlightening.
Getting life's priorities right.
From: lifeafter41 9-Jul 10:34
To: ALL 1 of 13
184013.1
Getting life's priorities right
Reader recounts how his patient led a happier life once he took stock of was truly important in life. -myp
Wed, Jul 09, 2008
my paper
A PATIENT once told me: "You know what, doctor, when I was told that I have cancer, suddenly all my shares, my properties and my brand-new car have no more meaning."
Yet, the attachment that some Singaporeans have to their cars never fails to amaze me.
When they notice scratches on their vehicles after shooing off a cat resting on them, for example, they would complain to their condominium management or the town council.
These motorists get so angry with the destruction of their "happiness" that they will not rest their case until the cats in the carparks are removed.
In the Housing & Development Board carpark where I park my car, there is a cat which would occasionally rest on car bonnets, including mine.
I have found its paw marks on my windscreen several times, but there are no scratches on my car, just a few small dents that are definitely not caused by a cat.
Whenever I see the cat resting on other cars, I would shoo it off and brush its hair off the vehicles so that the motorists would not complain about the cat's presence.
To me, what is important about a car is that it is functioning well enough to be safe on the road.
So what if it has scratches or dents? Cars are bound to get such marks.
The car does not feel the scratches. Rather, it is our attachment to the car that makes us feel the pain.
The patient who spoke to me became depressed after he was diagnosed with cancer, but his condition improved after he took stock of what was truly important in his life.
When he was near his life's end, I asked him if he was afraid. He said no.
He had done no harm to others, he said, and he remembered the good things that he had done. He also relished the happiness he had brought to others.
He died peacefully.
Dr Tan Chek Wee
many here do not appreciate what they are having now - the peace, the stablity and the quality of life in this country.
maybe it stemmed from personal failings, domestic unhappiness or working dissatisfaction.
unhappiness is a state of the mind derived from too much attachments.
happiness is also a state of the mind when it let go many and hence only detachment.
u read all the unhappy and angry people here, u cannot help feeling sad for each and everyone of them.
when it's time to let go, let go.
when it's time to awake, be awaken.
sadhu, sadhu....
this article is very enlightening.
Getting life's priorities right.
From: lifeafter41 9-Jul 10:34
To: ALL 1 of 13
184013.1
Getting life's priorities right
Reader recounts how his patient led a happier life once he took stock of was truly important in life. -myp
Wed, Jul 09, 2008
my paper
A PATIENT once told me: "You know what, doctor, when I was told that I have cancer, suddenly all my shares, my properties and my brand-new car have no more meaning."
Yet, the attachment that some Singaporeans have to their cars never fails to amaze me.
When they notice scratches on their vehicles after shooing off a cat resting on them, for example, they would complain to their condominium management or the town council.
These motorists get so angry with the destruction of their "happiness" that they will not rest their case until the cats in the carparks are removed.
In the Housing & Development Board carpark where I park my car, there is a cat which would occasionally rest on car bonnets, including mine.
I have found its paw marks on my windscreen several times, but there are no scratches on my car, just a few small dents that are definitely not caused by a cat.
Whenever I see the cat resting on other cars, I would shoo it off and brush its hair off the vehicles so that the motorists would not complain about the cat's presence.
To me, what is important about a car is that it is functioning well enough to be safe on the road.
So what if it has scratches or dents? Cars are bound to get such marks.
The car does not feel the scratches. Rather, it is our attachment to the car that makes us feel the pain.
The patient who spoke to me became depressed after he was diagnosed with cancer, but his condition improved after he took stock of what was truly important in his life.
When he was near his life's end, I asked him if he was afraid. He said no.
He had done no harm to others, he said, and he remembered the good things that he had done. He also relished the happiness he had brought to others.
He died peacefully.
Dr Tan Chek Wee
many here do not appreciate what they are having now - the peace, the stablity and the quality of life in this country.
maybe it stemmed from personal failings, domestic unhappiness or working dissatisfaction.
unhappiness is a state of the mind derived from too much attachments.
happiness is also a state of the mind when it let go many and hence only detachment.
u read all the unhappy and angry people here, u cannot help feeling sad for each and everyone of them.
when it's time to let go, let go.
when it's time to awake, be awaken.
sadhu, sadhu....
i like this posting
personal hatred. what a word to use! the cause of all the unhappiness and suffering to oneself and inflicted onto others at the same time. From: MarkSoh 20:18
To: ALL 71 of 72
183959.71 in reply to 183959.70
I have only voted once in my life and that was during the last election because of the consistent walkovers for my GRC. However, with the re-zoning whereby my block is now part of a single counstituency, I had the opportunity to vote. Well, I must say that I voted for the opposition because I am well aware that with the GRC system and the lack of opposition candidates, the PAP will have already won the election. What surprised me was the fact that despite having so many heavy weights in my previous GRC, the team got the lowest number of votes.
To bring the discussion back into focus to this topic. If the party that is in my constituency is SDP or is CSJ, to be absolutely frank, I will void my vote rather than vote for the SDP. The main reason for my actions is because despite me not being convinced of the effectiveness of the alternative policies suggested by the oppositions, I am more comfortable with the other parties in adopting a moderate stance in providing some alternative voice rather than turning our parliament into a joke like the Taiwanese politicians.
Why China can move so fast in a relatively short period of time is because of the collectiveness of the political party. Singapore neither has the resources or time to engage in the type of fiasco acting that the Taiwanese politicians are engaged in. I am comfortable with the WP and other parties because so far they don't appear to be in the same league as the Taiwanese politicians.
What I am very uncomfortable with SDP and CSJ is how much of his actions are driven by personal hatred of the Lee family? Can I really let my baby girls grow up in a country where politicians are driven by personal hatred of one another? I forgot the name of the Taiwanese politician who offered to jump into the river but eventually did not. I maybe very wrong but somehow I have that same impression of CSJ. There are many ways to get your point across but to use the methods akin to the Taiwanese is something that I am not comfortable with.
Some may say that I am a coward. Well, if the definition of being a coward is wanting a safe environment for my kids to grow up where politics is about achieving results rather than an environment where urgent things are needed to be done but cannot be done because politicians are so busy acting in front of the TV, then please by all means call me a coward, a scum or a worthless piece of shit.
Although the current PAP policies may have resulted in significant hardship for alot of people, I really do not see other alternatives. I may not be an expert in economics or politics but if I put on my commonsense hat, I can see the rationale behind the actions. On the other hand, I am still against the payscale of politicians, the GRC system, the independence of the judiciary system and the elitism that the PAP scholars often show.
However, when it comes to CSJ, somehow I have lost respect for him since his open interview with George Yeo. One must realise their own strengths and weaknesses and be willing to tap on other's strengths. CSJ consistently failed to do that in his defenses in a court which resulted in him showing his weaknesses more. Of course, some may then say that it is because of a lack of courage in our legal fraternity where no one dares to defend him. If that is the case, then he must know that it maybe more worthwhile to protest in some other ways then direct confrontation. It may not bring about changes that rapidly but lets face it, there are some changes albiet very slowly. For one, I know for a fact that the ministries take public complaints and comments very seriously now and that is because of direct instructions from the top.
Well, that's it for me. Please feel free to curse and swear at me because I won't bother to respond.
Cheers
the above forummer had indeed posted something which a group unhappy lot of people grossly overlooked. they are sadly blinded by PERSONAL HATRED.
To: ALL 71 of 72
183959.71 in reply to 183959.70
I have only voted once in my life and that was during the last election because of the consistent walkovers for my GRC. However, with the re-zoning whereby my block is now part of a single counstituency, I had the opportunity to vote. Well, I must say that I voted for the opposition because I am well aware that with the GRC system and the lack of opposition candidates, the PAP will have already won the election. What surprised me was the fact that despite having so many heavy weights in my previous GRC, the team got the lowest number of votes.
To bring the discussion back into focus to this topic. If the party that is in my constituency is SDP or is CSJ, to be absolutely frank, I will void my vote rather than vote for the SDP. The main reason for my actions is because despite me not being convinced of the effectiveness of the alternative policies suggested by the oppositions, I am more comfortable with the other parties in adopting a moderate stance in providing some alternative voice rather than turning our parliament into a joke like the Taiwanese politicians.
Why China can move so fast in a relatively short period of time is because of the collectiveness of the political party. Singapore neither has the resources or time to engage in the type of fiasco acting that the Taiwanese politicians are engaged in. I am comfortable with the WP and other parties because so far they don't appear to be in the same league as the Taiwanese politicians.
What I am very uncomfortable with SDP and CSJ is how much of his actions are driven by personal hatred of the Lee family? Can I really let my baby girls grow up in a country where politicians are driven by personal hatred of one another? I forgot the name of the Taiwanese politician who offered to jump into the river but eventually did not. I maybe very wrong but somehow I have that same impression of CSJ. There are many ways to get your point across but to use the methods akin to the Taiwanese is something that I am not comfortable with.
Some may say that I am a coward. Well, if the definition of being a coward is wanting a safe environment for my kids to grow up where politics is about achieving results rather than an environment where urgent things are needed to be done but cannot be done because politicians are so busy acting in front of the TV, then please by all means call me a coward, a scum or a worthless piece of shit.
Although the current PAP policies may have resulted in significant hardship for alot of people, I really do not see other alternatives. I may not be an expert in economics or politics but if I put on my commonsense hat, I can see the rationale behind the actions. On the other hand, I am still against the payscale of politicians, the GRC system, the independence of the judiciary system and the elitism that the PAP scholars often show.
However, when it comes to CSJ, somehow I have lost respect for him since his open interview with George Yeo. One must realise their own strengths and weaknesses and be willing to tap on other's strengths. CSJ consistently failed to do that in his defenses in a court which resulted in him showing his weaknesses more. Of course, some may then say that it is because of a lack of courage in our legal fraternity where no one dares to defend him. If that is the case, then he must know that it maybe more worthwhile to protest in some other ways then direct confrontation. It may not bring about changes that rapidly but lets face it, there are some changes albiet very slowly. For one, I know for a fact that the ministries take public complaints and comments very seriously now and that is because of direct instructions from the top.
Well, that's it for me. Please feel free to curse and swear at me because I won't bother to respond.
Cheers
the above forummer had indeed posted something which a group unhappy lot of people grossly overlooked. they are sadly blinded by PERSONAL HATRED.
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
approaching nearer to the truth....
it's very surprising that some forummers extremely pissed took the effort to investigate on their own. more revelation...more exposures, still they are acting holy molly. what craps! what hypocrites who disguise themselves as rights fighter for the citizens.
11 JULY 2008. the whole bunch of 18 SDP/supporters would be charged in court. again, they reasoned that 'they were in the right and it was their rights and blah..blah..blah....'
just like their cult leader, mistake is not a word in their vocabulary they would ever acknowledge. read what she's trying to wriggle a reason...
Coffee Shop Talk - F4 SBF release
From: LaMei 09:44
To: ALL 1 of 3
183864.1
It has come to my attention that there have been many personal attacks and threats on me and the F4...even Ejay has been threatened with harm.
To whoever that is doing that...On behalf of F4 and myself, I apologize and am sorry for making you feel so upset...
I would also like to assure everyone F4 members are not involved in any of the recent exchanges or attacks.
Ti Lik, E-Jay and myself dare to stand up against the establishment with conviction. Intimidation from the establishment doesn't work on us...so I hope you get the message as well...
Engage and reason with us if need be...
We knew that when we decide to come forward and stand up for our rights, more or less we are bound for some attacks.
We take it in our stride that this is part and parcel of activism.
If you are with us, and want to make SG a better place for everyone, stand alongside with us against the establishment.
The energy and resources wasted on us is not worth it...It could be better used against the establishment instead...
If you represent the establishment itself, get your master to fight us gentlemanly in the open and not hide behind some faceless nickname casting unwarranted and vile aspersions on us...
Last but not least...I would like to thank those responsible for the attacks and threats on us.
Thanks for showing interest in us, thanks for reading up on us. Hopefully one day you will find something that you read about us that you are finally in agreement with. We will definately work on that...
If you truly hate us, please leave us alone. One shouldn't waste too much time on someone you hate...take the time to love instead...
Food for thought:
"Love the person who does the evil deed while hating the deed that the person does"
"Defeat the unjust system, rather than the individuals who are caught in that system".
LaMei
千里之行，始于足下
精诚所至，金石为开
11 JULY 2008. the whole bunch of 18 SDP/supporters would be charged in court. again, they reasoned that 'they were in the right and it was their rights and blah..blah..blah....'
just like their cult leader, mistake is not a word in their vocabulary they would ever acknowledge. read what she's trying to wriggle a reason...
Coffee Shop Talk - F4 SBF release
From: LaMei 09:44
To: ALL 1 of 3
183864.1
It has come to my attention that there have been many personal attacks and threats on me and the F4...even Ejay has been threatened with harm.
To whoever that is doing that...On behalf of F4 and myself, I apologize and am sorry for making you feel so upset...
I would also like to assure everyone F4 members are not involved in any of the recent exchanges or attacks.
Ti Lik, E-Jay and myself dare to stand up against the establishment with conviction. Intimidation from the establishment doesn't work on us...so I hope you get the message as well...
Engage and reason with us if need be...
We knew that when we decide to come forward and stand up for our rights, more or less we are bound for some attacks.
We take it in our stride that this is part and parcel of activism.
If you are with us, and want to make SG a better place for everyone, stand alongside with us against the establishment.
The energy and resources wasted on us is not worth it...It could be better used against the establishment instead...
If you represent the establishment itself, get your master to fight us gentlemanly in the open and not hide behind some faceless nickname casting unwarranted and vile aspersions on us...
Last but not least...I would like to thank those responsible for the attacks and threats on us.
Thanks for showing interest in us, thanks for reading up on us. Hopefully one day you will find something that you read about us that you are finally in agreement with. We will definately work on that...
If you truly hate us, please leave us alone. One shouldn't waste too much time on someone you hate...take the time to love instead...
Food for thought:
"Love the person who does the evil deed while hating the deed that the person does"
"Defeat the unjust system, rather than the individuals who are caught in that system".
LaMei
千里之行，始于足下
精诚所至，金石为开
Sunday, July 6, 2008
OM MANI PADME HOM....the universal mantra
chanting om mani padme hom, helps everything (?) not only in the human world but in different realms (??) again, emptiness is form, form is emptiness. if the faith is strong, it would be enough to overcome many obstacles.
this YOUTUBE about buddhist preaching is very interesting....
this YOUTUBE about buddhist preaching is very interesting....
emptiness is form...form is emptiness
someone posted his view about the above phrase which was that i commonly used before in that zany sbf forum....i think i know who this joker is!!
From: OweMoneyPayMeHor (OMPMH) 01:06
To: clone101 unread 94 of 95
183182.94 in reply to 183182.79
OMPMH! May Peace be Upon Thee! OMPMH!
Do not abandon the boat while you are on the waters. Do not drag the boat along when you are on the land. OMPMH!
Buddha is there but not there. Buddha already in the state of Nirvana, how can He be there? He will be there when you ask for Him. He will not be there when He is already in Nirvana. He is Dharmma, just like a water in the sea of Dharma. Can you identify that little drop of water from the whole sea? But that drop of water will appear when it hits the sand of the beach. Will disappear when it withdrew into the sea.
That is, Form is emptiness, emptiness is Form. Emptiness will be Form, just like that drop of water coming to you when the sea reaches the beach. But it will no longer be there and become emptiness when it withdrew into the sea.
In the sea of Dharma, your state of mind is what you draw from the sea of Dharma, just like that drop of water coming out from that sea.
It is wrong to believe Buddha is there but not for anyone to call for His help or protection when needed. It is also wrong to believe there is no Buddha at all for anyone to call for protection. It is even wrong to expect protection from Buddha, the Dharma whenever you needed. Buddha is "non-existence" because He is already out of the realms of rebirth. But Buddha is neither empty nor a form. Buddha is Dharma sea.
When you call for Buddha's protection, you think its Buddha coming to your help but its you who are going to Buddha for help. You are going to the beach of the Dharma sea to get that little drop of Dharma water. When you think you are sending Buddha off, you are actually walking off from that beach and returning that drop of Dharma water into that sea.
What merits you share or transfer neither diminish nor increase, how could it have harm? Merits cannot be "robbed" nor "stolen", not like rich man giving money and getting robbed. Once a merit is robbed from somebody, it will no longer be merits but sin or a bad deed with demerits. Stop believing in rubbish.
OMPMH! May the Wisdom rise in Thou! OMPMH!
From: OweMoneyPayMeHor (OMPMH) 01:06
To: clone101 unread 95 of 95
183182.95 in reply to 183182.79
OMPMH! May Wisdom arises in Thou! OMPMH!
Wisdom is within and not to learnt. Buddha attained Wisdom not by learning but by inner state of mindfulness. Chanting is a state of mind and meditation. Only with a stable state of mind, frequency and vibration, then your wisdom will arise from within.
Gurus are for guidance in getting that state of mind but not for learning any Wisdom. Anything read, listen, see or hear, are not from within but from external. That is not WISDOM. Getting other tree's shade to shelter you is not having built your own shelter. Anything from your 5 senses will most likely to be defilements and not Wisdom. Wisdom cannot be spoken nor transferred. Wisdom only arises from yourself.
Meditation or even Chanting as a state of mind, will open up your wealth of Wisdom. So who says chanting cannot provide you Wisdom? Stop believing in rubbish!
OMPMH! May your Wisdom arises within Thou! OMPMH!
From: OweMoneyPayMeHor (OMPMH) 01:06
To: clone101 unread 94 of 95
183182.94 in reply to 183182.79
OMPMH! May Peace be Upon Thee! OMPMH!
Do not abandon the boat while you are on the waters. Do not drag the boat along when you are on the land. OMPMH!
Buddha is there but not there. Buddha already in the state of Nirvana, how can He be there? He will be there when you ask for Him. He will not be there when He is already in Nirvana. He is Dharmma, just like a water in the sea of Dharma. Can you identify that little drop of water from the whole sea? But that drop of water will appear when it hits the sand of the beach. Will disappear when it withdrew into the sea.
That is, Form is emptiness, emptiness is Form. Emptiness will be Form, just like that drop of water coming to you when the sea reaches the beach. But it will no longer be there and become emptiness when it withdrew into the sea.
In the sea of Dharma, your state of mind is what you draw from the sea of Dharma, just like that drop of water coming out from that sea.
It is wrong to believe Buddha is there but not for anyone to call for His help or protection when needed. It is also wrong to believe there is no Buddha at all for anyone to call for protection. It is even wrong to expect protection from Buddha, the Dharma whenever you needed. Buddha is "non-existence" because He is already out of the realms of rebirth. But Buddha is neither empty nor a form. Buddha is Dharma sea.
When you call for Buddha's protection, you think its Buddha coming to your help but its you who are going to Buddha for help. You are going to the beach of the Dharma sea to get that little drop of Dharma water. When you think you are sending Buddha off, you are actually walking off from that beach and returning that drop of Dharma water into that sea.
What merits you share or transfer neither diminish nor increase, how could it have harm? Merits cannot be "robbed" nor "stolen", not like rich man giving money and getting robbed. Once a merit is robbed from somebody, it will no longer be merits but sin or a bad deed with demerits. Stop believing in rubbish.
OMPMH! May the Wisdom rise in Thou! OMPMH!
From: OweMoneyPayMeHor (OMPMH) 01:06
To: clone101 unread 95 of 95
183182.95 in reply to 183182.79
OMPMH! May Wisdom arises in Thou! OMPMH!
Wisdom is within and not to learnt. Buddha attained Wisdom not by learning but by inner state of mindfulness. Chanting is a state of mind and meditation. Only with a stable state of mind, frequency and vibration, then your wisdom will arise from within.
Gurus are for guidance in getting that state of mind but not for learning any Wisdom. Anything read, listen, see or hear, are not from within but from external. That is not WISDOM. Getting other tree's shade to shelter you is not having built your own shelter. Anything from your 5 senses will most likely to be defilements and not Wisdom. Wisdom cannot be spoken nor transferred. Wisdom only arises from yourself.
Meditation or even Chanting as a state of mind, will open up your wealth of Wisdom. So who says chanting cannot provide you Wisdom? Stop believing in rubbish!
OMPMH! May your Wisdom arises within Thou! OMPMH!
Friday, July 4, 2008
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